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Julião (footballer, born 1998)

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Similar case to Elijeu De Jesus Belo Soares, which was deleted here. Having caps is no longer a 'free pass' and Julião needs to pass WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC to be kept. The best sources that I can find are database sources, much like the one already referenced in the article. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Salvador Carlos

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Similar case to Elijeu De Jesus Belo Soares, which was deleted here. Having caps is no longer a 'free pass' and Salvador Carlos needs to pass WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC to be kept. The best that I can find is ASEAN Football, which mentions him once in a squad list, and Timor News Network, a Blogspot entry that mentions him twice in different squad lists. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:12, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Stephen-Craig Aristei

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:05, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sudheendra Venkatesh

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. Working as a PR officer doesn't merit a Wikipedia article since there is no WP:SIGCOV. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ambroz Kapaklija

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Very short football career, so looks to fail WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, though I did find this. Geschichte (talk) 20:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Philip Ikeazor

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Contested draft, so we're here. The role has no inherent notability and sourcing found does not establish ANYBIO or the GNG Star Mississippi 20:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I do not believe that this article should be deleted for the following reasons:

(1) The articles cited aptly profiles Philip Ikeazor amongst other appointees of the President (Ahmed Bola Tinubu) eg https://newswirengr.com/2023/09/16/meet-philip-ikeazor-a-cbn-deputy-governor-nominee-with-over-30-years-of-experience-in-the-financial-services-industry/ and (2)

(2) The Central Bank of Nigeria is a high profile organization, charged with monetary policy and regulating financial services (like the Bank of England and the US Treasury). It's clout, and pedigree is not in doubt. Being appointed Deputy Governor of this bank is quite a high-profile thing, endowing you with instant notability.

(3) He was cited here by Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/person/16567452?embedded-checkout=true) as a former CEO/MD of Keystone Bank(a major Deposit Money Bank in Nigeria)

HIS BIO

In this Youtube Video of the Nigerian Senate proceedings, Ikeazor read out his bio before the Senate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsxJ6lKgEoE. This video channel wasn't Ikeazor's personal youtube channel, but Arise News (Thisday Newspaper's Television channel). His testimony before the Senate is judicially admissible anywhere as credible and under oath. The Senate confirmation was also covered by The Punch Newspapers, which I cited here https://punchng.com/breaking-senate-confirms-cardoso-cbn-gov-four-others-as-deputies/#google_vignette

Most of the bio he read out are verifiable on the following websites: (1)https://businessnews.com.ng/2013/01/31/ikeazor-appointed-keystone-bank-mdceo/ , https://blerf.org/index.php/biography/ikeazor-philip/ and here https://greenwichregistrars.com/board-of-directors/

Finally, Ikeazor has been cited and covered on major independent newspapers and I cited them eg the below link.

https://dailypost.ng/2024/06/28/cbn-mulls-policies-to-tackle-cyber-insecurity-in-nigerian-financial-sector/

I do firmly believe that notability has been established.

Thanks Cfaso2000 (talk) 21:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Radio Raheem

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This article fails WP:NFCHAR. This character does not rise to the level of significance to warrant a dedicated article. This subject can be sufficiently covered in the parent article on the film. Recommend merging it back in it there. No other character, including more significant ones, have dedicated articles either.

The film, not this specific character, are the focus of references in reliable sources. MadeYourReadThis (talk) 22:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment there are a lot of scholarly papers about Radio Raheem in google scholar, and these are just articles from the past few years. [1][2][3][4] I'm always on the fence about articles that focus on a key plot element, because it's unclear how you distinguish reception of the film from the reception of the events that take place during the movie. (e.g.: would we have a separate article for The ending of The Sixth Sense? Or Titanic (Vehicle from Titantic)?) At the very least, this seems like a merge as an WP:ATD. But I'd like to hear from other editors first. Shooterwalker (talk) 22:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Volume 5: Anatomic

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After checking google I am unable to find proper citations, other than album and CD listing sites, so in my opinion this one does not meet the notability guidelines. Drushrush (talk) 20:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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ITT Family Games

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Originally looked like a copyvio, coming a smidge too close for my liking to this at first glance. The sources that i’m finding on this subject are either lists, which don’t actually say anything about the subject, or user generated sites. Nothing relevant on the other 3 areas of WP:BEFORE. MM (Give me info.) ^(Victories) 20:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Patch-management

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Unneeded hyphenation Tule-hog (talk) 20:42, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural keep - this should be at WP:RfD really Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber

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I couldn't find evidence to show it meets WP:N. Boleyn (talk) 20:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kitty Films

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There are seemingly notable productions associated with them, but I couldn't find sources to evidence it meets WP:ORG / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 20:19, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, did you try searching anything in the Japanese language? I don't know the company but despite the poor sourcing, it appears to be notable if the article is correct Andre🚐 20:36, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Xenos Books

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There doesn't appear to be significant coverage of the company in reliable sources. The only source in the article is a database listing. The article was created by someone who described themselves as "one of the editors at Xenos Books". toweli (talk) 14:12, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Borgo Press, of which this was an associated imprint. PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:21, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep lacks sufficient independent, reliable sources that prove the publisher's notability --Loewstisch (talk) 08:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Loewstisch you voted keep but your words don't indicate that. Did you mean a merge or a delete vote? PARAKANYAA (talk) 13:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Martin Shearman

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Proposed deletion tag removed on the basis of "several sources" being present. This consists of two primary sources from the British government, an entry in the unreliable Who's Who, the subjects Twitter page and a brief mention of his appointments in a list of British diplomats. Fails WP:BASIC as lacking "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." AusLondonder (talk) 13:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete 2 of the 3 provided sources are primary. Could not find significant third party coverage to meet WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 12:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. Holder of the CVO, a high honour which has generally been considered notable per WP:ANYBIO. They're not handed out in cereal packets. A handful are awarded every year. Confirmation that he was appointed CVO in 2003. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ANYBIO provides a "likely" indication of notability provided sufficient in-depth secondary sources are available. As made clear, with regards to WP:ANYBIO, "meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included". ANYBIO does not exempt a subject from the sourcing test. AusLondonder (talk) 16:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also taking a look at your own chart, of the last five AfDs, just one had a clear "keep" result. AusLondonder (talk) 16:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your point is? As far as I'm concerned it's clear WP:COMMONSENSE that anyone considered notable enough by the British Government to receive a high honour (one to two hundred every year in a country of 67 million) should be considered notable enough for Wikipedia. They're not selected at random. They're selected because they're already notable. That's the point of ANYBIO #1, to catch people who are clearly notable but not widely covered in the media. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The government honouring a government official is hardly a compelling indication of notability. If he's "already notable" then sources meeting WP:BASIC would be easily locatable. He's not a historic figure. AusLondonder (talk) 14:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually (my mistake in this instance), the government didn't. The Royal Victorian Order is in the gift of the sovereign, not the government. The vast majority of government officials do not receive high honours; only a small minority. So yes, it's still a good indication of notability. If he's "already notable" then sources meeting WP:BASIC would be easily locatable. I'm sure you're very well aware that that's not really the case. The media generally has little interest in diplomats. Once again, that's largely the point of ANYBIO #1. It balances out people who are notable in real if not especially sexy jobs against media obsession with pop cultural figures. If clauses like this didn't exist then Wikipedia would become ever more focused on pop culture and even less on being a proper encyclopaedia. It's heading in that direction now, sadly, and nominations like this just speed up the rot. He's not a historic figure is a meaningless statement, especially given he's still alive. What does that mean? I assume it simply means you don't think he's notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I mean he's not a historic figure for whom it is difficult to locate sources. It is quite common for British diplomats to receive honours. I don't think it gives them all a free pass from WP:BASIC. AusLondonder (talk) 15:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, only a small minority of diplomats receive high honours (i.e. CBE and above), especially in the modern day. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I decided to have a look at some British ambassadors to see whether this is accurate. Surprise, surprise, it wasn't. Menna Rawlings, ambassador to France, DCMG CVO. Karen Pierce, ambassador to the US, DCMG. Nigel Casey, ambassador to Russia, CMG MVO. Julia Longbottom, ambassador to Japan, CMG. Jill Gallard, ambassador to Germany, CMG CVO. Martin Harris, ambassador to Ukraine, OBE CMG. Alex Ellis, ambassador to Spain, KCMG. Notice a peculiar pattern here? A walled garden of articles, some with zero secondary sources (completely unacceptable for a BLP), of British diplomats awarded honours by their employer. AusLondonder (talk) 13:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Devouring the Prophecy

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After checking google I am unable to find proper citations, other than blogs. From the existing citations 3 are album listings and 1 is a review from a blogger, so in my opinion this one does not meet the notability guidelines. Drushrush (talk) 19:53, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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SoFaygo

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Practically all the sources are either hype sites, primary sources, unreliable sources, or affiliated with SoFagyo. A cursory search on google shown not a single reliable source covering him. OhHaiMark (talk) 19:53, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Under the Stars (1993 film)

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Doesn't meet WP:NFILM. Searched for sources but couldn't find, hence no WP:SIGCOV. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 19:52, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Socialist Alternative (England, Wales and Scotland)

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Article subject demonstrates extremely limited levels of notability in terms of coverage actually about the group in question. Search online doesn't reveal any extensive coverage to justify a distinct article for it. Suggest therefore this article be redirected to International Socialist Alternative. Rambling Rambler (talk) 19:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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For context, previous state of article prior to recent edits was sourced with 19 references comprising:

- 11 via self-published blogs or websites of which 8 were the website of Socialist Alternative and other ISA sections and the remaining three self-published pieces by other communist groups. This is a fundamental breach of

WP:SELFPUB and more importantly WP:ABOUTSELF on the grounds that an article must not be primarily based on self-published information.

- 8 independent sources where the majority of them were dead links or didn't actually make any mention of Socialist Alternative yet were being used as inline citations to imply they were (such as this one about COP26 protests[5]).

As a result of this the article, when reduced to the only sources that could be judged suitable for inclusion (and even one of those is questionable) there is extremely limited demonstration of meeting notability requirements for a standalone article. Rambling Rambler (talk) 20:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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ProtoShare

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No establishment of sustained notability using WP:RS Amigao (talk) 19:26, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Deborah Paul-Enenche

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A ministry's creative director provides no inherent notability nor grounds for a redirect thereto, and she was covered for some passing stories around her wedding, but sourcing is mostly unsubstantial and inappropriate for a BLP. Should this close as a redirect, suggest protection as it will only be re-created. Star Mississippi 19:23, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Law (stochastic processes)

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The Wikipedia article for Stochastic process has a subsection (3.14.1) for this topic with several citations included, and this article has no additional information from what is stated in that section, and it lacks the citations too. AradhanaChatterjee (talk) 19:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Stochastic process#Law. This page has mostly been abandoned since its creation in 2006; there's no indication that the topic needs an article unto itself. XOR'easter (talk) 20:12, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isoelectric (electric potential)

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Pure dictionary definition, WP:NOTDICT perfectly applies here. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Keep, and/or Redirect. The topic is highly notable, even if the page is awful. I will post this to WT:PHYSICS as someone will either improve it or find the right home for a redirect. Ldm1954 (talk) 19:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carleton House Preparatory School

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Promotional article that does not appear to meet WP:NSCHOOL. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify: While I'm not finding any immediate sources (only did a Google search), this school is definitely around 50 years old (UK incorporation documentation). Given that this article was nominated for deletion the same day, I favor draftification and looking into possible references. ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

David Schieren

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Appears to fail WP:NBASIC. There's this, a no-byline, likely promotional piece, and this, an interview with little secondary coverage. Couldn't find anything else. EmPower Solar looks notable, so perhaps an article on the company should be created and this article should be redirected to that. C F A 💬 18:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Anikka Albrite

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Fails GNG and ENT. Not opposed to a redirect to the AVM performer of the year but otherwise there is not enough independent reliably sourced information to build a proper article. Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Boredom and Joy

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The article should be redirected to Jets Overhead. Nominating this because my bold redirect was reverted. There is a total lack of reliable sources talking about this album. The only source currently used on the article, Album of the Year, is a user-generated source that should not be used per WP:ALBUMAVOID as it is user-generated content. It previously had Discogs and AllMusic sources on it that I removed as the supporting text was falsely attributing any sort of critical reception to these sources. Discogs is also user-generated so cannot be used, and AllMusic did not even publish a review of the album. Ss112 18:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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État pied-noir

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I don’t believe this fantasy nation is notable. Some people have signed some documents, put them on the internet and blogged about them. That’s about it. An alternative to deletion would be a redirect to Pieds-noirs, where it is mentioned. Mccapra (talk) 18:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Genocide of Bosniaks in World War II

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There already exists an article on this topic at Chetnik war crimes in World War II#Genocide of Muslims and Croats where the matter is extensively covered with quality sources (Bosniaks at this time were referred to as Muslims). On the other hand, this article has major issues. Much of the content is cherrypicked, unsourced and engaging in WP:SYNTH.

The table of massacres in the casualties and demographics section is unsourced; meanwhile the Chetnik war crimes article discusses the massacres in detailed prose form. It also wrongly implicates the Yugoslav Partisans, a multi-ethnic anti-fascist guerilla movement in genocide. The casualties listed by Žerjavić and Kočović are the totals of Muslims killed in the entirety of Yugoslavia by every faction and all causes, not only victims of genocide.

An alternative could also be to redirect the page to Chetnik war crimes in World War II#Genocide of Muslims and Croats as "Genocide of Bosniaks in World War II" is a plausible title. Griboski (talk) 18:01, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Disagree. While you do make a good point that the casualties section for the individual massacres needs sources, it is very clear that those are copied from the already existing article on the list of massacres in Yugoslavia in World War II. This can be fairly easily fixed by adding the necessary source tags. Also, how and where does the article imply that the Yugoslav Partisans engaged in genocide / massacres? The only given perpetrators are the Chetniks, and I don’t see anywhere else in the article them being listed, except for a few incidents in 1941 where they did indeed engage in massacres when they were still temporarily aligned with the Chetniks. Aliy Dawut (talk) 19:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that it discusses the Partisans is a minor thing. The bigger issue is that it doesn't make sense to have two articles discussing the same topic. --Griboski (talk) 19:44, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well if you care to re-review the page, I removed several unsourced massacres and massacres that were NOT committed solely by the Chetniks. I do not believe a simple and flexible issue like this justifies deletion of an article that cites 21 RS Aliy Dawut (talk) 19:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Win Wu YanHong

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Citing unreliable sources especially from YouTube is not a way of showing notability. I don't seem to see WP:SIGCOV in multiple reliable sources, hence doesn't meet WP:NMUSICIAN. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 18:01, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ci Sha

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No indication of notability per WP:NACTOR. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Children in the Nursery

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Doesn't meet WP:NFILM as there were no/less unreliable sources cited in the article. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Brett Kincaid

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG. Youknow? (talk) 18:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jason Vukovich

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WP:BLP1E. Per WP:CRIMINAL, "a person who is known only in connection with a criminal event or trial should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article", unless "the motivation/execution of the crime... is a well-documented historic event". In this case, none of the reliable sources suggest any historic, social or otherwise serious significance to his 4-day robbery spree from 2016 [6].

This academic book co-authored by Vukovich in which he was "given a chance to tell" his own story alongside 7+ felons is not secondary, independent of the subject or primarily about him. At best, this case could become one sentence at Vigilantism in the United States#Other_episodes. Badbluebus (talk) 17:26, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There are also some serious BLP concerns here. Only a few sources in the article look reputable, others look unreliable or WP:SENSATIONAL such as WP:NYPOST, "Talk Murder True Crime Blog", WP:USERGENERATED true crime publisher "vocal media", pseudoscientific horoscope news website "yourtango", WP:FOXNEWS, fringe news website with a "paranormal" series "thoughtnova", fringe blog about "horror stories, conspiracy theories, Murder Mysteries, Alien Life" buggedspeace, citizen vigilante blog geordiechasers). The "hit list" section, that accuses three living people of sexual crimes, is greatly sourced by unreliable sources such as the aforementioned. Badbluebus (talk) 17:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. With regard to WP:CRIMINAL, the key word here is separate article. We don't have an article on the crime so that doesn't apply, this is not a "separate article" of anything.

I'm not going to vote keep because all the later sources are either bad (all that's interesting, thoughtnova or those weird seo article type things) or just "police said this" or his sentencing announcement without further commentary which isn't great. Just want to correct that. The least bad source is the Anchorage Daily Times ones but overall the sourcing here is very low quality. Not going to vote delete (yet) either because I haven't done a before check for better sources outside the page. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

About that, the guideline says that "Where there are no appropriate existing articles [about the crime itself], the criminal or victim in question should be the subject of a Wikipedia article only if one of the following applies", citing the standards about historical significance or victim relevance. So I believe it applies to this page. Badbluebus (talk) 20:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This Time of Year (song)

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I have been unable to find significant coverage of the song in reliable sources, as required by WP:NSONG. The Promotion section is sourced to a self-published database of Runrig set lists and performance dates and other citations are to the charts. This article should be redirected to Runrig discography, where its chart performance is already documented. Posted with permission: Goodreg3 opposes for the reasons discussed on his talk page and this AfD discussion. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 17:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of massacres of Bosniaks

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For the most part, we don't list these based on ethnic affiliation. Essentially this is just copied from already existing articles: List of mass executions and massacres in Yugoslavia during World War II and List of massacres in the Bosnian War. Griboski (talk) 16:51, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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What do you mean we don’t list these based on ethnic affiliation for the most part? List of massacres of Turkish people? List of massacres of Armenians? List of massacres of Azerbaijanis?

As for your second point, I mean you could argue any duplicate / identical information across articles is copied? This list focuses solely on Bosniaks, so I believe it deserves its own article, as did the curation page. Nevertheless, that does not warrant for deletion an article that cites 25 RS Aliy Dawut (talk) 19:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yet there's no list for Albanians, Croats, Serbs, Macedonians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Russians, Ukrainians, and so on. My view is that we shouldn't be going down that road when most of them are already listed by conflict or country. --Griboski (talk) 20:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok… I understand your personal view on the matter but again I don’t think that is enough to justify deleting an article that cites multiple RS and passed Wikipedia curation standards fairly quickly. Why not try and address concerns on the talk page instead of immediately attempting to delete an entire article? Aliy Dawut (talk) 20:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Bores

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Non notable YouTuber who doesn't meet WP:GNG. A7 may even apply. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete lack of significant coverages need to add more sources. Xegma(talk) 17:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Bill Dawes

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No WP:SIGCOV to establish notability. Purely lacks notability per WP:NACTOR. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:09, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete lack of WP:SIGCOV need more sources. Xegma(talk) 17:13, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Bae Youn-kyu

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Doesn't meet WP:NACTOR. Appearing on non notable films doesn't show notability because it can't draw WP:SIGCOV from sources. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:06, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Just move it to draft... Aidillia (talk) 16:12, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Agree with Aidillia to draftify rather than delete. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 16:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Abdel Latif Fathy

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:04, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Moza Sultan Al Kaabi

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I don't believe she meets the notability criteria, as almost all sources only mention her death in a car accident. And the page was created three days after her death. فيصل (talk) 15:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete lack significant coverages about her works and yes maximum sources are about her death. Xegma(talk) 17:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harper, Indiana

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According to Baker, a post office, and probably a rail spot, judging from the maps, but no sign of a settlement. Mangoe (talk) 14:05, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Richard Jones (British diplomat)

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Previous AfD closed as no consensus, but should have closed as delete given AfD is not a simple headcount, with strength of argument supposed to account for something. Two editors favoured deleting, and two favoured keeping (including the creator, who cited the unreliable Who's Who as a keep rationale). Source analysis in previous AfD established Jones lacks significant coverage specifically about him in multiple published secondary sources and therefore fails WP:BASIC. The current article has not been improved since last AfD and instead still consists of three sources which do not contribute to notability. Ambassadors are not inherently notable and do not get a free pass from notability requirements. AusLondonder (talk) 13:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I found this which doesn't look too bad but I don't really know how it works for ambassadors. There may be more but I am unsure what exactly counts for this. PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's also this. Still not done searching but there isn't nothing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This and this are good as well. This is also a bit helpful but not as much. I was able to find this from just Switzerland and I didn't even try to search for the other places. Again, not very experienced with ambassadors, but I think this is GNG now, especially with the the Le Temps source which is the Romandy's newspaper of record. So keep.

@CFA Thoughts? PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:41, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, looks good to me. Thanks for finding those. Keep. C F A 💬 17:59, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I thank only Switzerland's inexplicably well digitized press. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The source above is good, but I couldn't find anything else. Ambassadors have to meet WP:NBASIC like everyone else. I wouldn't be surprised if more coverage exists ~~but I'm inclined to delete unless some is found.~~ C F A 💬 16:57, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, the coverage found provides enough coverage Microplastic Consumer (talk) 03:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@OwenX There are three keep votes and no deletes. Is that not enough consensus? PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:09, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dumitru Găleșanu

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There is no clear evidence of notability. The subject has won three obscure prizes: that’s it. I also suspect paid editing: the article is by a new account, with links to google.pk. I would imagine that someone from Pakistan whose very first article is about a random Romanian poet was paid to publish. Biruitorul ^Talk 13:01, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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weak keep: Some reviews/critical discussion in Romanian sources [7] and [8], might be more in Romanian sources. Oaktree b (talk) 17:07, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One of the two links is to the introduction of his book, so not exactly impartial. 161.132.213.116 (talk) 01:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Worth noting that the creator has been locked for UPE; this article therefore might need significant cleanup. Elli (talk | contribs) 02:34, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Miyu Takahashi

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Fails WP:BLP and WP:NBAD Stvbastian (talk) 11:09, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I found this which is fairly in-depth. There's also this, this, and some other routine coverage. Likely not enough to meet WP:NBASIC but I would not be surprised if there was more coverage out there. I just don't know where to look or how to read Japanese. C F A 💬 16:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - As the runner-up in the 2024 Indonesia Masters Super 100 I, she and Mizuki Otake have finished on the podium of a BWF World Tour tournament passing WP:NBADMINTON. DCsansei (talk) 20:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tonye Irims

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Deleted back in 2021 due to a lack of notability. Not sure if he meets WP:GNG or other notability criteria now. CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to WiSolar: Found only this GNG-worthy piece here but one is not enough. If anyone finds more please ping me. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:46, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep: Found some of his profile here [9] and another with Business Insider outlet [10] @Vanderwaalforces:Ibjaja055 (talk) 11:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ibjaja055 Thanks for the ping. I saw these, they do not count towards GNG, they fail WP:INDEPENDENT as they are clearly interviews with the subject of this article. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@VanderwaalforcesYea, they fail GNG. They are just profiles and they are not independent. Ibjaja055 (talk) 03:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Having edited the Wisolar article on English Wikipedia, I got to know that the deletion of this article is currently being discussed. On WP:GNG, this 1 and 2 should suffice for the keeping of the article. Thank you. Bukky658 (talk) 13:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bukky658 The first source you mentioned fails to provide WP:SIGCOV directly on the subject, while the second source fails WP:INDEPENDENCE, which is the major issue with all the sources I have found. They just do not count towards GNG based on this. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to WiSolar: The subject is not independently notable on its own per a WPBEFORE I’ve made. Redirecting is the best WP:ATD here. Best, Reading Beans 07:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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AutoMowheelz

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Declined and rejected at WP:AFC but moved to mainspace by creator this clearly fails Wikipedia:Notability (web). Theroadislong (talk) 13:01, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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National Cardiac Centre

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Bringing this here for discussion as it was moved out of AfC, but I don't think it meets N:ORG. The coverage is non neutral (beacon, transformative) which reads like pay to play vs. independent coverage required of ORGCRIT. Aware of systemic bias, but not sure this cardiac centre is notable. Star Mississippi 12:51, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cezar D'Mello

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. I searched for sources but couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV in multiple independent reliable sources. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:23, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Red Blue

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Cannot find any WP:SIGCOV about this manga. Natalie provides only the given source and all are WP:TRIVIALMENTION. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 11:50, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: There is one article I managed to find when searching it on Natalie, and it was about this series collaborating with an MMA company in Japan called GRACHAN. ^[1]

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Amit Ulman

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Not yet ready for mainspace as it doesn't meet WP:NACTOR, WP:ANYBIO and WP:MUSICBIO. May have been covered in his native language which I also checked, yet couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV also in English language. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, for several reasons:

(WP:NACTOR) The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. - At least in Israel it was defined as an innovative film in that the entire script is one long song, with almost all the dialogue written in rhymes and accompanied by musical instruments. ^[2]
WP:MUSICBIO Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart. - (If I understand correctly), one of his songs won tenth place in one of the Hebrew song charts in 2016.^[3]
WP:MUSICBIO Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability. - One of the leading rappers in Israel, certainly in the field of Poetry slam (he founded Poetry slam Israel).^[4]
WP:MUSICBIO Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, such as a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album. - Appeared and created the movie "This City"', appeared in "Plaot" (2013), "HaMora LeAnglit" (2019) and also appeared in the series "HaHanut SheYesh Ba Hakol" (2020-2021)^[5].

There is more, but I think this is enough. Eladkarmel (talk) 18:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Masters World Series of Indoor Cricket

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Another non notable cricket tournament. Only WP:ROUTINE coverage, doesn't pass WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:46, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete no sources at all. Xegma(talk) 13:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Ahmadreza Mousavi

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Doesn't meet WP:NACTOR. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dedy Jaya Siregar

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Despite his 6 league appearances, I can't find any significant coverage for WP:SPORTBASIC. The best sources that I could find were Bola and Liputan6, both being passing mentions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no significant coverages added till now also I can see in Indonesian Wiki page there are no sources added in this article. Xegma(talk) 17:42, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish Informatics Olympiad

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Tagged uncited for 15 years and does not exist on Turkish Vikipedi. If it is notable maybe some competitors or former competitors could cite this? Chidgk1 (talk) 09:45, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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For reference: I think relevant trwiki article is this: tr:Ulusal Bilim Olimpiyatları Tehonk (talk) 21:17, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks I have linked Chidgk1 (talk) 14:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are propably enough sources. But in Turkish, unfortunatly. Luhanopi (talk) 19:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All the sources in the Turkish article are Türkiye Bilimsel ve Teknolojik Araştırma Kurumu Chidgk1 (talk) 15:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you would like to cite Turkish sources that would be great Chidgk1 (talk) 15:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kande Lansana

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Stats stub with no evidence of WP:SPORTBASIC. My own searches, including Indonesian news sites, only yielded Bola, Detik and Tribun News, none of which even come close to showing significant coverage of Lansana. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lack of significant coverages. Xegma(talk) 13:50, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Edmondson

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Could not find any third party sources. LibStar (talk) 10:36, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete one source is not enough need more sources. Xegma(talk) 13:13, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - If it is really necessary, an article exists at List of Oxfordshire County Cricket Club List A players for an obvious redirect. But 90 percent of non-first class List A players will make their way to those articles eventually, so... *shrug* I'd be surprised if nothing exists in sources given that he appears to have died abroad and relatively young. Bobo . 16:40, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. @LibStar:. These AfD's are a little pointless. Just be WP:BOLD and redirect to the above mentioned list, retaining Category:English cricketers and Category:Oxfordshire cricketers. AA (talk) 21:19, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jakub Rakyta

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Rakyta played eight matches at top tier before being sent on loan to Tatran Prešov. Secondary sources from my searches did not show any significant coverage of him. Considering that almost no Slovak clubs are well-known outside their homeland, I don't see this as a potential draft. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:12, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lack of significant coverages. Xegma(talk) 13:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Bolgar

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Poorly sourced stub, fails GNG. Wire723 (talk) 09:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete need more significant coverages. Xegma(talk) 13:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Evenk hydroelectric power plant

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Cited source not found. Project was abandoned many years ago https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10247664/ Seems doubtful it is historically notable but maybe you know better? Chidgk1 (talk) 09:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Penzhin Tidal Power Plant Project

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Perhaps this made a little sense many years ago but I cannot see how it is notable. According to https://www.renewable.news/innovation-technology/russia-wants-to-build-the-worlds-most-powerful-tidal-power-plant-in-kamchatka/ it would cost 200 billion dollars, but why would the government spend on this when they need the money for the war and have so much cheap methane? Also why divert scarce labour from the war effort? Also according to the talk page the numbers are wrong. However I don’t know Russian language or history - perhaps it has some historical notability or there are better sources in Russian than the above link which was just translated from (presumably unreliable) “local media”? https://h2ce.ru/en/projects/detail/hydrogen-power-cluster-based-on-penzhinskaya-tidal-power-plant is a company with almost no info about itself. https://dspace.kpfu.ru/xmlui/handle/net/170412 and many other sources are pre-war when the economics and politics were very different. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:12, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mizuki Otake

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Fails WP:BLP and WP:NBAD Stvbastian (talk) 14:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - As the runner-up in the 2024 Indonesia Masters Super 100 I, she and Miyu Takahashi have finished on the podium of a BWF World Tour tournament passing WP:NBADMINTON. DCsansei (talk) 20:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexis Strum

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I don't think the sources here meet WP:NBASIC or WP:NM, save for a writing credit on Why Not Us, which is rather weak on its own. Consult the table of relevant sources in the article. Nothing in my WP:before search was of higher quality.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
Templeton, Tom (31 July 2005). "Introducing...Alexis Strum". The Guardian. Retrieved 2 September 2023.			little content outside of fluff and quotes	✘ No
Scott, Danni (5 October 2023). "'A mix-up over ice cream on Lorraine cost me my music career 20 years ago – but now I'm back'". The Metro. Retrieved 5 October 2023.	~	WP:METRO		✘ No
Strum, Alexis (23 July 2023). "I'm finally the pop star I dreamed of becoming – and I'm in my forties". The Independent. Retrieved 2 September 2023.	written by Strum	~		✘ No
Krieger, Candice (3 March 2011). "Alexis Strum lands a starring role at your fingertips". The Jewish Chronicle. Retrieved 2 September 2023.			Short article from when watching TV on phones was novel, with a few sentences of background on Strum at the end.	✘ No
Glanvill, Natalie (17 June 2015). "Kylie Minogue Songwriter to stage Homeland meets Loose Women play". Guardian Series. Retrieved 2 September 2023.	Mostly quotes or other stuff obviously sourced to Strum	?	~	✘ No
"Comic documentary about failure in development". British Comedy Guide. 15 October 2018. Retrieved 2 September 2023.	mostly quotes from Strum	~		✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

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Comment: Did a teeny bit more searching, noting small amount of coverage here. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the nomination for deletion.

Strum has co-written two songs on popular 00s albums - Come and Get it by Rachel Stevens and Still Standing by Kylie Minogue in addition to the single, Why Not Us? by Monrose.

Under Notability (music), Strum therefore qualifies under the criteria: 'Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition.'

In addition, Strum is eligible for inclusion under the criteria as a performer: 'Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.' 'Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).' ('Addicted' was released by Warner Bros. major label release - https://open.spotify.com/artist/49DJil4JyZdW8Upoilkfom?si=uoQw-rvcTSOKuvGOyykJkw - her second album 'Cocoon' was also a major label recording, which was shelved and has now been released and distributed on an 'independent label with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable - https://open.spotify.com/album/7vNUTEQtnCVWel68cxx5sC?si=fMuK_Zl5Q1mgtyt1TSqOAQ and https://hmv.com/store/music/cd/cocoon)

Her listing is incomplete, but she is featured on the UK Official Charts Company website: https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/alexis-strum/

In addition, she has released two albums as a recording artist, which are widely available on all streaming platforms, with 8.3k monthly streams on Spotify.

She is also eligible for inclusion under: 'Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, such as a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article. Read the policy and notability guideline on subjects notable only for one event, for further clarifications).'

Go My Own Way was the theme tune to the 'network television show' Vital Signs (TV Show) in the UK, which aired on ITV, starring Tamzin Outhwaite.

She is also eligible for inclusion under: 'Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network.'

The music video for Bad Haircut featured Tom Ellis and was aired on The Box and MTV Hits, and has over 100,000 views on YoUTube.

She is also eligible for inclusion under: 'Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.'

The album 'Cocoon' has received a large amount of press attention since its initial planned release in 2006: - https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/music/alexis-strum---cocoon-mercury-1024671 - https://retropopmagazine.com/alexis-strum-cocoon-album-review/

Strum's music career has also been the feature of multiple, non-trivial, published works, as well as being mentioned in articles where she has been listed as a musical performer, worthy of note: - https://metro.co.uk/2023/10/04/lorraine-mix-up-destroyed-alexis-strums-career-for-20-years-19596176/ - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgl7ld1glk3o - https://www.aol.com/clean-bandit-were-told-stop-233558500.html?guccounter=1 - https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/pop-star-music-alexis-strum-album-b2380472.html - https://player.winamp.com/podcasts/womans-hour-podcast-e59d55dc59 - https://www.theguardian.com/music/2005/aug/23/popandrock - https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/festival-finalises-acts-for-v-line-up-12712 - https://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/13337233.kylie-minogue-songwriter-stage-homeland-meets-loose-women-play/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevebritney (talk • contribs) 13:53, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as well as the above mentioned sources such as The Guardian and the Metro (not convinced it is completely unreliable as the discussion was not clear-cut at RSN) there is also a staff written bio at AllMusic here, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've just gone through the RSN discussion links for the Metro and Im not finding any substantial discussion directly about it so unless Im missing a discussion it seems to have been quite a leap to list it as unreliable without a proper discussion, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:17, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Fleeting Ends

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Not seeing anything that would make this a pass under WP:BAND. No in depth reviews, charting records or significant awards or recognition. Mccapra (talk) 05:58, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Not Sure: I updated existing references and added some additional ones. It looks like the band was active 2008-2015 and then again in 2018 with Vantine and others. For the reformed band in 2018, the references I found list different people than the article originally named (I changed the article to reflect what's in the sources). The originally named people are in pictures that are part of the article but I can't find any sources that link them directly to "The Fleeting Ends". There is coverage of this band in the local Philly outlets that cover indie bands, it's more limited outside - I see some newspaper articles that announced tour dates and the Popmatters magazine article about a release in 2018. I'd rather someone with more knowledge about WP:BAND weigh in. Nnev66 (talk) 16:20, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2015 Services Air Airbus A310 crash

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Articles for deletion/2015 Services Air Airbus A310-300 crash

Articles for deletion/2015 Services Air Airbus A310 crash (2nd nomination)

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Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:EVENTCRIT. Per WP:GNG, "sources should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability". From what I've been able to find, only primary sources exist on the event with no secondary sources existing on the event. The event does not have in-depth nor continued coverage with coverage only briefly occurring in the aftermath of the crash. Additionally, no lasting effects or long-term impacts on a significant region have been demonstrated as a result of the accident. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 08:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Josue España

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All nine sources are primary. JTtheOG (talk) 07:51, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Old Newingtonians awarded Imperial and Australian honours

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Fails WP:NLIST with a single, non-independent "source". Newington College is a "day and boarding school for boys", not even a college.

I am also nominating the following related page because it too is supported by a single source, in this case, the Australian Dictionary of Biography:

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Comment: Are there any such lists for other secondary schools? If not I see no reason for this to exist. SecretSpectre (talk) 07:53, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cultural institutions in Australia

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Weird article. Reads as original essay into a topic. The article content does not match the title, it focuses on random facts on old educational institutions rather than what you would expect from a page entitled 'cultural institutions in Australia'. The page was also created in 2006, with no notable contributions since SJD Willoughby (talk) 06:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, an article can be written about the impact of the First Fleet, etc on the creation of Australia's cultural landscape, which this source has, but it would be easier to start over. I also don't think that's a representative sample of early Australian cultural organizations and certainly not a description for two hundred years later either. Star Mississippi 17:40, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Archaeosophos

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Google News reveals no result about this articles, the article uses only primary sources. Clearly fails WP:NSINGER Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:39, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Kamen Rider Gavv episodes

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WP:REDUNFORK of Kamen Rider Gavv. It only has 2 episodes as of now which fails WP:TVSPLIT for being WP:TOOSOON Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:30, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2 episodes as of now, but the series is expected to run weekly for an entire year like every series in the Super Sentai/Kamen Rider franchise. Exukvera (talk) 14:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Beşkarış Dam

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There are several uncited articles about dams - is there any specific guidance on how to tell whether a dam is notable? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:20, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - FYI, List of dams and reservoirs in Turkey (whichi includes this one) all seem to be created by User:Starzynka who has been blocked as a prolific sock creator, abusing multiple accounts. I don't know of any guide that mentions how to deal with this, but I would have no problem if there were some way to delete all of the damns on this user's list. — Maile (talk) 17:11, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect. This article isn’t unsourced as there is an external link to the relevant state agency, but that’s not a secondary source. There are sources that could make this pass but the broader question is whether we need a stub on every individual small local reservoir in Turkey. My view in that is “no”, so redirecting to the list seems sensible, Mccapra (talk) 07:53, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
good idea Chidgk1 (talk) 08:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the list of dams, unless sources come to light for this particular dam. Ingratis (talk) 15:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daigo Tanioka

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Fails WP:BLP and WP:NBAD Stvbastian (talk) 11:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ewington, Indiana

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For some reason in Decatur County I'm getting a lot of rail spots. It's plain from the maps, and I can find nothing which contradicts this. Mangoe (talk) 04:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Harding's history of Decatur County [11] clearly states this was just a post office, not a community. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 16:54, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jordan, Daviess County, Indiana

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Baker identifies this as a post office and this 1915 county history identifies it as a station on the old C&EI where there was a mill. That's what it looks like on the maps too: a rail point without a settlement. Mangoe (talk) 11:58, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Just a station, not a settlement, as per the source cited by nom. Stations and other railroad infrastructure are subject to WP:GNG, and a brief mention in a century-old history doesn't count as significant coverage. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 16:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yogacharya Govindan Nair

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I don’t see any sources in English to support WP:AUTHOR. The subject has written multiple books but I see no in-depth reviews, just online bookshops and Wikipedia mirrors. Mccapra (talk) 05:40, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Twenty Seventh Edition of his book was released on the International day by the publisher who published his book nearly 4 decades ago. here is the link https://www.instagram.com/dcbooks/p/C8eOMOMyNxz/?hl=en&img_index=1 2405:201:E010:706F:F0B9:15A2:5E91:AA5B (talk) 13:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No sources on the page. Fails WP:NBIO. Fails WP:NAUTHOR, who is not widely cited by peers or successors. As Author and Yoga instructor, subject has not created a significant or well-known work and I cannot find subject's work in multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work. Fails WP:GNG too. RangersRus (talk) 13:45, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There are sources for the article and there is no ground for deleting this page. Lack of contribution does not necessitate deletion of a page. Such a practice will only contribute to removal of information about the lesser known people. I strongly oppose the deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Versatilegeek (talk • contribs) 07:14, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed this comment which was placed outside the discussion so I have moved it here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:42, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment to the objection that “there are sources” my response as nominator is that I don’t doubt that the subject is the author of multiple books. What there is not is anything that demonstrates notability. We don’t allow bio articles sourced almost entirely to online shopping sites with dead links. In addition not a single detail of the subject’s life is even verifiable based on the refs in the article or anything else I can find in English. I don’t think it’s acceptable to retain an entirely unverified bio on the strength of a claim that “there are sources.” Mccapra (talk) 06:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article here from the Times Group, https://malayalam.samayam.com/feature/special-stories/who-was-yogacharya-govindan-nair/articleshow/101135876.cms, seems like a credible source describing the subject as the populizer of yoga in Kerala. Given the Indian context, it is not necessary that a historical subject, especially in Kerala, should be widely cited in the English media to be notable. Pinknetwork123 (talk) 18:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As you say, sources don’t have to be in English. They can be in any language but if they exist this discussion is the place to share them. Mccapra (talk) 20:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I believe the Malayalam samayam source mentioned by Pinknetwork123 is WP:CIRCULAR. The feature story reads exactly like it was generated from this Wikipedia article, with no new information. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:26, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suborno Isaac Bari

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An article on the same person was previously deleted (twice) at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soborno Isaac Bari (2nd nomination) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soborno Isaac Bari. It is now four years later and he has been admitted to college but he has still not reached the level of adult notability for his achievements in math or physics. (See WP:PRODIGY.) CapitalSasha ~ talk 05:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I tend to agree with the advice in the essay linked in the nomination. If we're going to write about kids, we need to be careful. Relevant to the present case are the admonishments, Students are not notable prodigies for their performance as students, no matter how advanced they are in their work, and Prodigious children who demonstrate skill in mathematics or science are expected to have published works on a par with their notable adult academic peers. Another pertinent concern is the general idea of not having a whole article about a person only known for one thing. Only one event has been covered with any degree of reliability, namely his admission into NYU, and that's being very generous to the silly season reporting. On the whole, I'm just not seeing a notability case that is strong enough to outweigh the concerns here. XOR'easter (talk) 20:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andreína Álvarez

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She still needs much more experience as a recognized and outstanding actress, page without relevance required Alon9393 (talk) 03:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep passes the WP:ENT. Xegma(talk) 03:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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List of controversies of recent U.S. Presidents

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Very sparse article with a strange criteria (why only recent presidents?) and quite frankly, is only substantive for Trump (where it's a list of people who worked under him who now consider him to be incompetent). No substantive content besides the list of scandalous Trump politicians, which are covered elsewhere. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 02:35, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, but expand substantially further back in time, and provide some refined guidelines for what constitutes a "controversy". An "impeachments" section that does not mention the impeachment of Bill Clinton is lacking, to begin with. While there are periods that historians would deem the cutoff for "modern" presidencies, I would think that this would go at least as far back as Nixon, and possibly as far back as Kennedy. BD2412 T 02:48, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: For one definition, see Stephen Hess and James P. Pfiffner, Organizing the Presidency, Third Edition (2020), stating "The modern presidency began with Franklin Delano Roosevelt and his leadership of the United States through the Great Depression and World War II". BD2412 T 03:02, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I went ahead and expanded it back to Reagan since that was as far back as the Brookings analysis went on turnover by administration Superb Owl (talk) 06:41, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - I chose 2 presidents from each party for starters to try and keep it balanced. I will not object if other editors want to expand it. Do not see any reason for deletion. Superb Owl (talk) 04:29, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Satisfies WP:NLIST. High Crimes and Controversy: Noteworthy Presidential Scandals, Presidential scandals throughout history, Among 160 years of presidential scandals, Trump stands alone; What Was the Biggest Political Scandal in American History? 7 Historians Make Their Picks. Given the scope of this topic, reasonable to apply WP:LISTCRIT to limit to particular era. There are some problems: not convinced that "recent" is useful since it dates immediately, splitting by centuries might be useful; also, the table skates close to WP:OR - what source identifies scandals using that typology? Nevertheless, these are content issues, not notability issues. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 05:48, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Fine as long as only notable controversies are included. Dympies (talk) 17:44, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Duplicated information that is found at List of federal political scandals in the United States. I don't think a redirect would be helpful. --Enos733 (talk) 18:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BD2412, @Goldsztajn, @Dympies, does the presence of List of federal political scandals in the United States change your analysis? - Enos733 (talk) 18:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some of the differences between the two. The List of federal political scandals in the United States is difficult to read, includes legislators who are not associated with presidents, and is impossible to compare across presidencies. That article also does not categorize scandals by type and excludes Criticism from former allies, excludes turnover comparison, and excludes family members category. Superb Owl (talk) 18:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do not suggest there are no differences - but the way List of controversies of recent U.S. Presidents is presented (to me), is very confusing and there is no information about the "controversy" and does not address the very real content concerns raised by BD2412, Goldsztajn, and Dympies. Looking at the list in the article, I do not know what "Major criticism of the President" means - does that mean the individual listed expressed concerns about the president? Also, I should be able to know at a glance why Eric Lander was part of a Biden administration scandal. I was about to say this should be TNT'd, but then I found a much more comprehensive article already written. - Enos733 (talk) 18:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comprehensive in some areas but not in others. There is a real lack of discussion of presidential scandals in Wikipedia. I think given the growing power of the presidency, that we need a more coherent article to summarize the performance of presidents along these lines that is not bogged down with a massive list of congressman and judges and others that are not part of the executive branch Superb Owl (talk) 18:47, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree that there is a need for an article substantively focused on the performance of presidential administrations in this area (not just general occurrences in other branches coinciding with the timing of a presidential administration), and that what constitutes a "scandal" or "controversy" should be well-defined for inclusion. The latter is something missing from this article, but readily fixable within its scope. BD2412 T 20:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Superb Owl - the only consideration is reliable sourcing - our own perceptions of the changing status of the US Presidency can't inform this discussion. @Enos733 - thanks for the ping and drawing my attention to the other article. I'm looking at this purerly from a sourcing (ie notability) perspective. For this list, I find sourcing that satisfies this specific class, but which does not statisfy a general list of federal political scandals. Looking at the federal list, notwithstanding WP:NEXIST, I do not see sourcing present in that article which satisfies that specific class. Given the prominance in the sourcing assocated with Presidents, this list, at least on first glance, has a stronger founding in sourcing and thus a stronger claim for notability. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 01:14, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Almost duplicate of List of federal political scandals in the United States. We need only one article on this topic. Captain AmericanBurger1775 (talk) 18:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of federal political scandals in the United States. This is a WP:COATRACK and unnecessary WP:CONTENTFORK. Merging would be unnecessary since the content is a bit of a disaster, but regardless of the condition there's a policy basis for redirection. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of federal political scandals in the United States, per Dclemens1971. Bothsidesism has destroyed many once reliable sources, and forks about controversies have wrecked parts of Wikipedia. A controversy about email servers versus hundreds of crimes and scandals is what has gotten us into this fine ness. No thank you. Bearian (talk) 02:44, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The table tries to distinguish between scandals, indictments and felonies, unlike the List of federal political scandals in the United States. I reorganized based on the most serious first and removed Hillary Clinton (which was a borderline case that is not in the List of federal political scandals) Superb Owl (talk) 04:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep or rename to something like "Personnel scandals of President Donald Trump." The table can largely remain as a comparision to other recent presidents without worrying as much about where to stop adding the lists and redundancy with the other list of scandals. Trump takes up much of the focus of the article anyway. Superb Owl (talk) 16:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your suggestion is a clear cut case of WP:COATRACK. Esolo5002 (talk) 18:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of federal political scandals in the United States. "Recent U.S. Presidents" is arbitrary and will change, and thus fails WP:NLIST. Esolo5002 (talk) 16:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I can live with a redirect. --Enos733 (talk) 01:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I remember there was a policy against making articles about "recent" things. Also virtually the entire thing is about Donald Trump. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SecretSpectre (talk • contribs) 08:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Valid article Is la🏳️‍⚧ 10:30, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Virtualization Development

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This article does not distinguish Virtualization development from the concept of virtualization. It was recently changed from a redirect to an article by moving material from timeline of virtualization development, but unfortunately that material does not seem to make it at all clear what the subject matter of this article is intended to be. I would guess from the title it is the use of virtual machines for software development, or the development of virtual machines but I don't think either of these merit their own article at it is also not at all discussed in the article as it stands. It also appears to largely consist of WP:OR, and notability cannot be established since it's unclear what the article is about in the first place. I would propose it be merged into Virtualization but I don't think there's anything in the article worth moving at this time. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 03:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Virtualization. A taxonomy of virtualization technologies would benefit the main article. Tule-hog (talk) 20:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I don't think there's anything worth merging - it duplicates material that's already better covered in Virtualization and Application virtualization (and the timeline section is somewhat misleading, as it's missing the first 25-odd years of history). Adam Sampson (talk) 03:24, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Giovanni Gallo (politician)

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This is a local politician at the city government level so fails WP:NPOL. The sourcing does not pass WP:SIGCOV, so fails WP:GNG as well. It's telling there is no Italian language wiki page. 4meter4 (talk) 03:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Yes need more significant coverages to stand. Xegma(talk) 04:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Election to the regional council of Veneto does not make someone notable. Mccapra (talk) 07:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Safavid–Aq Qoyunlu Wars

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ChatGPT creation (see [12]). It's already been moved to draft once. I tried to get the go-ahead from the author to draftify it a second time, but no luck. asilvering (talk) 01:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Nope. It takes a lot of work to create an encyclopedic article of this type and plainly none of that has been done. There’s nowhere we need to keep. Start again using actual sources or don’t bother. Mccapra (talk) 08:01, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete While conflicts between the Aq Qoyunlu and Safavids likely happened as part of the power struggle in Iran, this vague boilerplate AI-generated article tells us absolutely nothing of substance, and WP:TNT would be the best option. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 11:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Smarter Planet

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Minor topics which can fit in other pages like: List of IBM products
The quality was not improved in a decade or more
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Merge with IBM as part of brand and reputation section. --Mind-blowing blow (talk) 07:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I think the commitment by IBM to this direction is real and notable. The article has sources, and while some updating might be appropriate that is not a reason to delete. Merging would not appropriate as this is different. Ldm1954 (talk) 15:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aleksi Ojala

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Nominated for the following reason: Fails WP:GNG. The article currently contains no reliable, secondary sources. The first 2 articles are sports aggregate result websites that alone do not establish notability. The third article is a bio on a team website that no longer links to the athletes page. An independent google search as required for AfD returned no significant non-trivial coverage of the athlete. Wibbit23 (talk) 18:54, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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He doesn't look notable from the article. If you consult Special/Whatlinkshere you will find a 14th place at the 2017 World Championships and a 13th place at the 2022 World Championships. The 13th best in the entire world... looks much more notable now. And look, there is lots of significant coverage about his upbringing, personal life etc. [13] [14], various competitions [15] [16]+[17] and finally an article from this July about him retiring. [18]. These are from the two first pages of Google hits when I searched within Svenska YLE (since I know Swedish) and for his name in conjunction with his home town (since articles that write about someone's place of origin tend to showcase more knowledge about the person). A pretty clear keep Geschichte (talk) 20:39, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Low-level competitor with almost zero coverage. [19] is a brief mention, then nothing else comes up. This isn't a famous athlete, just an athlete in a group of many others. Oaktree b (talk) 22:27, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will ask that you reply to myself and another editor who found lots of pages to take into consideration. Geschichte (talk) 21:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No independent, reliable sources found that show significant coverage as proof of notability. Prof.PMarini (talk) 10:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment At least some Finnish-language coverage exists, with e.g. these two pieces by by Yle Uutiset discussing his troubles in the 2023 Budapest world championships at length: [20], [21]. The same event was covered by e.g. Ilta-Sanomat [22]. That said, I'd view these as essentially one piece of newswork for notability purposes. Other than that, it's mostly your bog-standard sports coverage [23], or tiny local newspapers [24]. There is a piece by Aamulehti [25], but it's paywalled and I can't say whether it's just the standard "we interviewed an athlete" fare that contributes little-to-nothing towards notability, or something more extensive. Iltalehti has a short piece about him retiring [26], but it's quite a short piece with lots of quotes. All told, not the worst coverage I've seen, but neither is it anything that would make this a slam dunk in my eyes. I'd feel much more comfortable coming down on the keep side of the fence if there was at least one more solid non-interview piece in relation to something else than the Budapest events. Based on my (very brief) search, I'm rather ambivalent. -Ljleppan (talk) 16:00, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll just emphasize here, as both Habst and Alvaldi have referenced these news pieces in their !votes: I think the Finnish-language coverage is weak. The strongest pieces of content (Budapest troubles) are less about the subject and more about the events in which he got involved in: they say fairly little about Ojala himself, and thus do little to establish the notability of Ojala. Similarly, most of the other stories are either wholly or in large part interviews, i.e. the subject talking about themself. To my understanding, these have been traditionally held to have little-to-no value for establishing notability. Yes, there is coverage relating to the subject, but there is little independent coverage about the subject in specific. There is no encyclopedic value in a quote of the subject saying they had a tough competition at some event or another, and they plan to train hard in the future. Ljleppan (talk) 06:51, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ljleppan, I greatly respect your contributions to this discussion and have thought about what you said. I do disagree with your assessment about the Finnish sources. For example, in [27] it's mentioned in the free preview that his "life will change" (translated) due to his retirement. Surely life-changing events are worth covering if a news organization deems it fit to write an article about it? In addition, the subject is specifically the sole topic of coverage. Re: interviews, I don't agree with that assessment. I've spoken with other experienced editors about interviews and they can actually have substantial value in establishing notability. For an interesting admin comment about interviews, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pietro Farina (athlete). I also wouldn't anticipate the type of quotes mentioned to be in the retirement article, because it's about his retirement so he wouldn't have to train for anything in the future. Thanks, --Habst (talk) 12:14, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Habst: the significant problem with Urjalan Sanomat in specific is that it's a hyperlocal newspaper, serving a municipality of approximately 4.5k people. Having a piece (notably, of unknown length and depth as it's paywalled) about someone in it is hardly indicative of any kind of meaningful notability. Ljleppan (talk) 14:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I might as well mark myself down as a weak delete for now, absent further sourcing that provides intellectually independent and significant coverage about the article subject in specific. Ljleppan (talk) 14:50, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ljleppan, thanks for the response. I think that point is valid when the story is only circulated in physical print, but the Urjalan Sanomat is an online article so the potential audience is much wider. Also, just because we don't have access to a source doesn't mean it can't be used to assert notability; per WP:NEXISTS, simply knowing that sources must exist is enough to assert the notability of a subject and keep an article. --Habst (talk) 14:55, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This misrepresents the point of WP:NEXISTS: it points out that the notability-establishing sources do not necessarily need to be located in the article. But simply pointing at a paywalled article you have no access to (as far as I can see) is not sufficient: someone needs to be able to actually access the source and provide an assessment of whether it is the type of content we generally view as notability-indicative. Otherwise it is merely an unsupported assertion. Ljleppan (talk) 15:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ljleppan, I don't think that interpretation of WP:NEXISTS is backed up by the text or idea of the policy. Yes, sources don't need to be in the article – but that's simply not the only application of NEXISTS. Per Wikipedia policty the mere possibility of sources existing – a bar which I think has both been passed and not sufficiently rebutted in this case – must be considered by editors in deletion discussions. So of course, if paywalled articles can be found that are clearly solely about the subject, they should be considered regardless of whether we have access right now on the basis that a future editor could use it. I've seen articles about award winners kept in the past based on the fact that typically winners of their award have plaques written about them as part of the award, and that plaque could count as SIGCOV despite us not actually having a picture or the text of the plaque.

With great respect, I would be eager to strike any unsupported assertions I've made because I think it's important to discuss based on facts. I don't think it's appropriate to imply that another editor would do that without pointing to a specific statement that is both asserted and unsupported. --Habst (talk) 14:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that there is no policy that disqualifies local coverage from counting towards notability. Proposals to reject local sources from showing a subjects notability was last rejected in 2018. Alvaldi (talk) 17:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I was very surprised by the depth of coverage found above thanks to hard work of Geschichte and Ljleppan. I think any argument to delete needs to directly rebut the 13 sources found in this discussion. For example, the recent retirement article I would say is significant, independent, and reliable to challenge @Prof.PMarini in particular. --Habst (talk) 19:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, you have to admit that the sources Ljleppan listed would not appear in a customary WP:BEFORE search. He/she himself said that despite the sources found it "would not make a slam dunk" and he/she is "ambivalent." Plus, the sources still do not quite meet WP:SIGCOV about the subject of the article, Athletics World is focused on the doctor and just mentions Ojala; yle.fi was cited three times, but they are a mix of interviews, so may count as primary source, not useful as proof of notability. So my comment is still a Weak Delete at best. And anyway, I am just participating in a discussion and would not in any way take it personally if the consensus happens to not be the same as what my interpretation of the matter is. Additional edit: Plus, I only read English Wikipedia. If Geschichte had to search in Swedish to find sources, perhaps it is better wriiten in the Swedish Wikipedia and later translated. If readers and editors need to expend so much effort to prove a subject's notability, maybe the subject is not notable enough. Prof.PMarini (talk) 02:01, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a comment above expanding my view on the Finnish language sources (they are rather weak, in my view), but I'll just note here that there is no requirement for sources to be in English. See WP:GNG, stating "Sources may encompass published works in (...) in any language." and "Sources do not have to be (...) written in English.", as well as WP:NONENG. Ljleppan (talk) 06:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Prof.PMarini, thanks for engaging, I think this type of discussion is what makes Wikipedia better. First of all, you have to admit that the sources Ljleppan listed would not appear in a customary WP:BEFORE search. -- I don't agree with this assessment, in Ljleppan's own words their search was "very brief". A WP:BEFORE should be able to catch any sources found in a very brief search. I think that the sources do meet the bar for SIGCOV -- I have looked extensively into Wikipedia policy on interviews in the past, and I've concluded that according to policy, they actually do not count as primary sources if they are published by news organizations because the news organizations have editorial processes and are staking their reputations on the veracity of the claims. There is no Wikipedia policy that says that interviews cannot contribute to establishing notability. Thanks, --Habst (talk) 12:24, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding "[interviews] actually do not count as primary sources if they are published by news organizations because the news organizations have editorial processes and are staking their reputations on the veracity of the claims," this is blatantly incorrect. News organizations printing "X said that Y" does not indicate the news organization is vouching for the claims Y, but that X indeed claimed Y. Ljleppan (talk) 14:57, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ljleppan, that may or may not always play out in the off-wiki world, but according to Wikipedia policy that statement is certainly correct. I'm not referring to when cases where a newspaper gets a quote from someone – that's not an interview article but merely reporting that someone said something. An interview article is something more like that in the Pietro Farina case, where the article is written as a transcript as if the interviewee had written the article, without contextual framing around every quote.

Per Geschichte's comment, there are many non-interview articles in this case anyways, so the point is kind of moot. --Habst (talk) 14:40, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interviews are almost always primary sources w/r/t to the content directly attributed to the person being interviewed, as is the plain reading of "accounts (..) by people who are directly involved" and as is explained in the footnote stating "Further examples of primary sources include: (..) interviews", both from WP:PRIMARY. Interview articles can also include non-primary content by the journalist who authored the article (this is normal, almost all non-tertiary content is primary-in-part), but not all content in it is categorically primary. Ljleppan (talk) 21:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we agree, then, except for Interviews are almost always primary sources. It simply depends on context and framing, and I've not seen any evidence that the sources presented in this AfD are "solely primary" interviews. --Habst (talk) 22:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marini - I searched in Swedish because Swedish is an official language of Ojala's country of origin. The YLE articles are not interviews though they contain quotes among other things. The comments about "expending effort" seem subjective and have little to do with policy as I see it. Geschichte (talk) 15:29, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:GNG with the above mentioned sources. Alvaldi (talk) 11:54, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep as the person meets ANY Bio. 美しい歌 (talk) 10:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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IBM Master Inventor

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Historyexpert2 (talk) 02:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Historyexpert2, what is your rationale for nominating these articles? C F A 💬 02:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Minor topics which can fit in other pages like: List of IBM products
- The quality was not improved in a decade or more
- To generate discussion whether to try to improve those articles or go ahead and delete them.
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Delete no sources at all. Xegma(talk) 05:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete: I can find several interviews with master inventors, and material from IBM, but the closest I could find to significant independent coverage is this article [28], which gives some background but is mostly about a single master inventor. But without at least one more source I don't think we have anything for an article. Plus, the level of detail currently in the article suggests it was written by an IBM insider and/or based on IBM (i.e. non-independent) sources. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 17:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The nominator hasn't bothered to provide a rational why this article should be deleted. Cortador (talk) 21:01, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of landlord Members of Parliament in the United Kingdom

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Fails WP:LISTN, very limited discussion about importance of MPs being landlords among indepdent RSs, with the whole list just being primary sourced from the UK Parliament. WP:UNDUE. Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 01:46, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: fails WP:UNDUE SecretSpectre (talk) 08:05, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom + keeping the list up to date will be a lot of work, as MPs and their properties come and go. Wire723 (talk) 09:40, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, this is already met by the category: :List of Landlord MPs of the United Kingdom DimensionalFusion 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk) 18:40, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

North Epirote Insurgency In South Albania

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Duplicate/WP:POV FORK of Northern Epirus Liberation Front, as well as WP:OR. None of the references have page numbers either and it doesn't seem like any of them actually verify the text in the article. Griboski (talk) 01:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This isn't official history. It's probably just their opinion. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 17:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Gibson (Christian musician)

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Articles for deletion/Jon Gibson (Christian musician) (2nd nomination)

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I propose this article for deletion because there are many, many, many "sources" but which are often profiles and biographies sometimes written by the artist himself and anonymous users, the sourcing is horrible and it is difficult to find your way around, if the article is eligible it is absolutely necessary to rework the sourcing, I tried to improve it, but... SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 23:43, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also a lot of these "sources" come from databases like AllMusic, are there any press articles or better quality elements? SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 01:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have applied {{subst:afd2}} to this nomination, which did not previously have the full AfD formatting. No opinion or comment. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:21, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Military, Christianity, and California. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:22, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep has had a No.1 hit album and other hits on Billboards Top Christian Albums chart and also has coverage in album reviews on reliable sources such as AllMusic and CrossRythmns. Also this is significant coverage with a byeline here, and also here. The article can be rewritten or shortened but AfD is not for clean-up purposes, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 18:48, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Atlantic306, I am not against keeping the article and you may be right about the non-necessity of this Afd, I could not find where I could make this type of request. But in the current state the article should be put back in draft and be republished later when a sorting of sources will be done because the article is hardly clear in the current state SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 09:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, although it happens articles older than 6 months are not supposed to be moved to draft so if it is kept it needs to be fixed while in mainspace, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sourcing on this article is a mess. Far, far too many citations to sources that don't help with notability, which makes assessing it very difficult. I have gone through every single reference and found exactly one that in my opinion shows notability: Soultracks bio, which looks like an independent and in-depth biography. Doing a search, I have found: Hot Hits book, a little snippet; Charisma and Christian Life, a frustratingly obscured piece that looks to be mostly about an album but I can't be sure. The second source Atlantic306 has noted is an interview, which cannot contribute to notability (sorry).

In short, based on the sources I could find, delete. It feels like there should be enough RS somewhere out there, but they're not in the article and I can't find enough to say keep. Atlantic306, do you have access to any offline sources that are pushing you towards keep? He seems like he ought to be notable...maybe some of his albums are notable and we could redirect? StartGrammarTime (talk) 07:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I don't have access to any offline sources but there are quite a few book results in a google search which I cant assess unfortunately as either its a small snippet given or none at all. Reviews of his music do count towards notability so I would include the reviews on CrossRythmns and on AllMusic (the paragraph ones, not the single sentence ones), imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: SparklingBlueMoon, why is this AFD called Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jon Gibson (Christian musician) (2nd nomination) when there has been no Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jon Gibson (Christian musician) nor a Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jon Gibson? Why is this the 2nd nomination? Was there a previous AFD under a different page title? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Liz, when I tried to make the nomination manually a message told me that there had already been a result before but it is not impossible that it was an error. SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 22:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We need some more opinions here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Heimdall (software)

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Written somewhat promotionally. Also, Wikipedia is not a how-to guide. I suggest restoring the redirect that was there before it was replaced. Rusty 🐈 00:25, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per WP:ATD. I think there are not enough Wikipedia-suitable sources for this article. An article on the proprietary implementation of the protocol (Odin) exists and is notable, we can restore the redirect back to there. PhotographyEdits (talk) 11:12, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Richard McDonald (academic)

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Fails WP:NACADEMIC. He worked for some important organizations in non-major roles. I see no sign of any influential scientific publication of his on a reputable journal, or any terminal degree for that matter. This looks more like a resume of a postgraduate student than anything else. Badbluebus (talk) 00:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete unless somebody can find evidence of cites or reviews. Xxanthippe (talk) 01:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]
His publication is released in December, and so these are forthcoming JapaneseWoodblocks (talk) 10:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, creation of page was due to unusual and niche academic field of minority religions in prison, which is the topic of his first publication due for release in 2024. His terminal degree was completed at Birkbeck Dept. Of Psychosocial Studies but I can’t find a citation for this so I didn’t include. On the ‘non major roles point’ - understood, but he held the role ‘Head of Policy’ for HMPPS in 2023 which feels notable? Apols if I’ve made it sound like an advert JapaneseWoodblocks (talk) 10:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi thanks for making this page. If I can make the case a bit more: is a nascent academic but in a niche and unusual field of writing about Norse paganism in prison which distinguishes his contribution and his first publication is a book chapter with Bloomsbury coming out in December.

He sits on various policy and governance boards for national organisations including charities (Traveller movement) and the Magistrate’s association. I know he sits on several more including the Uni of Sheffield but can’t cite this.

I don’t want it to read like an advert, just an encyclopaedia entry for a niche academic who works at the intersections of religion and penology. JapaneseWoodblocks (talk) 10:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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