Talk:Morocco

Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2024

105.155.7.152 (talk) 12:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, please use corrected map:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Morocco_WS-included_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 13:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2024

Western Sahara status

Please to change the following statement: "Part of the territory, the Free Zone, is a mostly uninhabited area that the Polisario Front controls as the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic. Its administrative headquarters are located in Tindouf, Algeria. As of 2006, no UN member state had recognised Moroccan sovereignty over Western Sahara."

By this correction: Part of the territory, Demilitarized Zone, is a mostly uninhabited area controled by Morocco's Air Defense (Permanent drones surveyance) and the UN mission MINURSO. At least 22 member states of the United Nations had recognized Moroccan sovereignty over Western Sahara, and are holding a diplomatic representation in the Moroccan Western Sahara province tied to their Moroccan embassies in Rabat, the capital of Morocco. 149.117.79.69 (talk) 15:07, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: your claims are contradicted by the cited RS in the WS article. M.Bitton (talk) 15:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2024

The Roman Empire's involvement in Morocco, then known as Mauretania, began in the 2nd century BCE and lasted until the 5th century AD. The Romans were drawn to the region's strategic importance, establishing settlements, trade routes, and fortifications. Their presence left a lasting cultural impact and a legacy of archaeological sites across the country's northern landscape ArthurEFex (talk) 17:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 18:14, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Barbary lion as national animal or emblem

Many places say the Barbary lion is the national animal of Morocco, but none of them appear to be reliable sources. This article references the CIA World Factbook, which is usually pretty good, but I'd think there should be a better source. Maybe in another language? Thanks, SchreiberBike | ⌨  00:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

So, is the Factbook acceptable or not? If so, I'm not sure why we'd need additional sources. Remsense诉 00:31, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

The Factbook says "lion" instead of "Barbary lion", so it's not sufficient for Barbary lion. Perhaps there are sources in Arabic that say "Barbary lion". The sources I can find are all of indiscriminate collection of facts, or repeating beliefs without saying why they believe that. Has the government ever said anything about it? SchreiberBike | ⌨  01:10, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

May be worth generalizing to merely "lion" for the time being. Remsense诉 01:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Cursory search finds a sources in Morocco and abroad that talk about the subject, but I'm not sure if they're reliable enough:

1. SNRT News (state-owned broadcaster): "the Atlas Lion is also the symbol of the Moroccan royalty", this is coroberrated by the Journal de Dimanche in France;

2. The Université Rennes 2 published an article stating that the Atlas lion "symbolized Morocco", but I'm not sure about context;

3. An article on al-Arab says the Atlas lion is the "symbol of Morocco in the world".

I will probably update with more sources when I find the time. NAADAAN (talk) 23:45, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the sleuthing! Remsense ‥ 论 00:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 08 August 2024

Change from "HDI (2022) 0.698" to "HDI (2024) 0.698"

Reason : The source date is 2024, not 2022.

Thank you 194.154.197.119 (talk) 08:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

RfC on "ethnic groups" in infobox

Should the "ethnic groups" parameter on the infobox be ommited in favor of the "national languages" parameter which is already present? NAADAAN (talk) 23:32, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: Languages and ethnic groups are not the same. A lengthy discussion has already taken place on this topic, with no consensus reached on omitting the ethnic groups. There's a myriad of sources that support the 65–70% Arab / 30–35% Berber ethnic percentage range, as discussed in Talk:Moroccans#Third Opinion? and Talk:Morocco/Archive 7#"Ethnic groups" in infobox. While featured articles can serve as good examples, omitting ethnic groups from the infobox is not a mandatory practice for FAs, many of which do include ethnic groups. I think it’s best we leave the infobox as it is. Skitash (talk) 01:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

  "There's a myriad of sources that support the 65–70% Arab / 30–35% Berber ethnic percentage range" This sounds a lot like WP:SYNTH if you're trying to build an average out of many different sources. NAADAAN (talk) 01:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

• Omit per my remarks below. Remsense ‥ 论 05:06, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
• Omit as we do with our best FA country articles Australia, Germany, Canada, Japan. Let the body explain in detail MOS:USEPROSE.....and drop languages junk.Moxy🍁 12:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Arabs and Berbers are the largest ethnicities which should be a key fact. Can they be mentioned in the infobox even if there is no precise number for each? Senorangel (talk) 03:17, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

  In lieu of the ability to quantify those ethnic populations in the infobox, this would seem particularly redundant with the listing of Tamazight and Arabic as the languages commonly spoken in the country—of course understanding that the mapping between language speakers and ethnicity isn't one-to-one. Remsense ‥ 论 05:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

• I'm not sure about "in favor of the 'national languages' parameter', but given the body devotes a single sentence to ethnic groups, it doesn't present as key information that needs summarizing. CMD (talk) 05:45, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Discussion (RfC on "ethnic groups" in infobox)

• The Higher Planning Commission (HCP), who coordinates the national census, only publishes linguistic statistics rather than ethnic, the sourcing for the "ethnic groups" in the infobox is quite flimsy, and other country FAs such as Canada simply ommit ethnic groups in their infoboxes despite their multicultural society. We have discussed this at length before, but it had degenerated into an argument over sourcing and its semantics.

Considering that there is no single reliable nation-wide survey on ethnic origin in Morocco (and I suspect that they are outlawed like in France), the controversial nature of the subject, the divergence in sources, and the fact that the "national languages" would be more accurate; I propose that it should be ommitted in favor of languages. NAADAAN (talk) 23:32, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• Because of Morocco's demographic history, mentioning "ethnic groups" seems appropriate. Senorangel (talk) 04:07, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

  Of course we mention it, but do we mention it in the infobox?

  There is no authoritative source regarding ethnic groups or diversity in Morocco. Such parameters are not included in the census

  By itself, this fact about the data (complemented with @NAADAAN's description of its incomplete replacements) is enough to convince me that it is wholly unacceptable for inclusion in the infobox, which is meant to summarize key facts at a glance. It follows that if data is murky, poorly-sourced, or has dubious methodology, it is completely unacceptable in the infobox. Moreover, if the sourcing or methodology of data even needs to be explicitly explained to the reader for them not to misunderstand what it means and doesn't mean—it is equally unacceptable for the infobox. This information should be treated with the nuance it requires where it belongs, which is in the body of the article itself. Remsense ‥ 论 05:04, 23 August 2024 (UTC)