Category talk:Hebrew Bible verses
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How might we consistently arrange this category?
[edit]This category could end up with many useful, fun and controversial pages!
Probably we can start debating now about ordering and numbering the verses in light of different canons -- do we use the Jewish Study Bible (Oxford) or the (Christian) New Oxford Annotated Bible, etc ?! Or maybe a POV filter for readers who only want to see their religion's ordering and verse analysis!
How about proposing a default template or ideal/potential organization for each new verse or group of verses? For instance:
Introduction) Open w/an overview statement and Biblical context (previous and succeeding verses), fun/catchy points/trivia 1) Text -- see examples Gen 1:1-2--
- (a) Hebrew text with
- (b) Various translations -- I would recommend also Everett Fox's poetic/literal and an Aramaic Targum (either text itself or relevant points from targum) and Septuagint (text or relevant points). Maybe RSV. Probably drop some less important/novel choices.
- (c) Technical/linguistic notes on the tex:. Eg (a) grammatical, lexical info (b) concordance info; (c) accents, masora, variant readings/spellings, special marks, and other critical apparatus items; (d) misc tech/linguistic info....
2) Analysis, commentary and intepretation of the verse
- (a) Academic "neutral" analysis, eg, (a) higher/lower text critical analysis,(b) archaeological, (c) sociohistorical, (d) political, feminist, etc. etc. I put this first partly due to NPOV and partly because it will be catchier for most readers.
- (b) Inter-biblical interpretation (e.g., Fishbane's data in Biblical Interpretation in Ancient Israel), e.g. Psalms on Exodus verses
- (c) Classical religious exegesis, maybe arranged chronologically by author/source, or typologically by Jewish, Christian, Moslem, etc., e.g., Qumranic, Philo, NT, Mishnah, Church Fathers, Midrash, Quranic, Medieval, etc. etc. [Maybe best to do it chronologically by source within ~5 major groupings: Ancient, Samaritan, Rabbinic, Karaitic, Pre-Reformation Christian, Moslem, Catholic, Protestant, [non-Abrahamic religions?!] etc.
- (I don't think this can be divided by genre, eg allegorical - legal - midrashic etc, without constant nitpicking)
- (d) Misc. literary, polemical and other exegesis
3) Usage of the verse, e.g.,
- (a) Interesting popular and historical uses -- maybe put this at front of article, esp if catchy / noteworthy /fun
- (b) Liturgical, again arranged by source or by religion/denomination
- (c) Normative uses for religious law (e.g. halakha) and ethics (e.g. Catholic social teachings)
- (d) Theological and philosophical
4) References, external links, etc
Yikes, this is way too ambitious for any given verse. Sorry if I've wasted our time/space. It could be an ideal arrangement.
Maybe do: For each verse, do the (1) text, as above. For groups of verses: do (2) Analysis, (3) Usage. It would be fine to have overlap in groupings because different exegeses/analyses cover different groupings. That's how the bibliographic databases handle the problem (e.g., ATLA Religion database).
Kudos for naming this "Hebrew Bible" and not a more POV term! Take care. --HG 05:18, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
To add or continue discussion/s: See also Talk:Genesis 1:1 IZAK 01:05, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Posting this discussion at Genesis 1:1 article
[edit]I am posting this discussion to the article on Genesis 1:1 where it rightly belongs. The nature of the category is not really under the microscope because the discussion begins with how the verses are to be presented. IZAK 00:09, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Are you really going to include all verses of the bible???
[edit]—Preceding unsigned comment added by Markus Schmaus (talk • contribs) 01:55, 17 January 2006
- No. That's been discussed elsewhere. Only those of encyclopedic interest. - Fayenatic (talk) 18:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Category merger
[edit]Category:Hebrew Bible quotations was merged here on 3 December 2007. See discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 November 23#Category:Hebrew Bible quotations. - Fayenatic (talk) 18:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
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