Talk:Chesty Puller
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Death?
[edit]Why is there nothing about his later life or death? It looks like in the article history there may have previously been content. Seems like kind of an odd thing to leave out (other than the date of death). 174.63.77.110 (talk) 01:17, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- Chesty Puller's death certificate via Ancestry.com lists immediate cause of death to be "Bronchopneumonia due to undetermined organism"; "other conditions contributing to death but not related to the terminal disease condition" listed as "Encephalomalacia due to cerebral arteriosclerosis". Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:12, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- I've edited the Marine section to 'Death and Legacy' while adding where he's buried with a link to the church webpage detailing his burial which includes a photo of his tombstone. This is all meant as a placeholder of sorts till anyone who knows proper wikipedia formatting can adjust it as necessary as I know it is poorly cited. --130.123.231.77 (talk) 06:15, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
Presidential Unit Citation
[edit]This article indicates that Puller was awarded the PUC five times, so he would have a PUC ribbon with four stars on it (one for each subsequent award). However, I am currently looking at his actual PUC at the National Museum of the Marine Corps, and his PUC has five stars, indicating six PUC awards. Unless someone can shed some light on the discrepancy, I will be making a change to the article soon. Calarch78 (talk) 22:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Expansion of military acronyms
[edit]'XO' and 'CO' need expansion. I'm guessing they mean 'executive officer' and 'commanding officer', but I'm not sure. - Molinari 20:32 3 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- That is correct. An executive officer (XO) is the assistant to a commanding officer (CO). -- Olathe November 23, 2003
I am under the impression that the Nicaragua war around 1924 was also referred to as the Banana wars. Is this correct?
24 August 2003/ LJW
- Seems to be more generalized. EG http://www.scholarly.com/bkdetail.asp?0-8420-5046-9 Niteowlneils 01:48, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Yes, the Nicaragua Action was part of the various wars fought in SOuth America at the time. To preserve American interests, the US President landed American Marines to deal with the insurgency and to stabilize the country.
No big deal, but it wasn't "American" interests we were fighting for. It was for the fruit companies who objected to higher wages that newly elected leaders in Guatemala and elsewhere were promising the workers. Our debt to those Marines who fought and served in C.A. is that it looks like the Cavendish banana monoculture will lead to the destruction of my favorite breakfast treat! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.195.79 (talk) 20:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
DSC
[edit]How did Puller get a Distinguished Service Cross -- is it awarded to Marines? (or had they run out of Navy Crosses because of him.. :) Sivamo 23:28, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
It's not awarded by the Marines, but
- ... In addition to his Navy Crosses (the next-highest decoration to the Medal of Honor for Naval personnel), he holds its Army equivalent, the Distinguished Service Cross.
- He was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross and his fifth Navy Cross for heroism in action as commander of the 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division, during the bitter fight to break out of Korea's Chosin Reservoir area. The latter citation, covering the period from 5-10 December 1950, states in part:
- http://hqinet001.hqmc.usmc.mil/HD/Historical/Whos_Who/Puller_LB.htm
- According to that link, he won three Air Medals; the wiki article only says "Air Medal". Also, in this picture, http://hqinet001.hqmc.usmc.mil/HD/IMAGES/Whos_Who/Hi_Res/PullerLB.jpg, one can see an Air Medal with two stars, strongly arguing that he was awarded three Air Medals. I suggest amending the wiki article to so state. :) Sivamo 04:00, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Presumably the DSC was awarded by Almond or MacArthur, who, being Army officers, couldn't have given out Navy medals.
- —wwoods 00
- 59, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Chesty deserves a Medal of Honor
[edit]I have a problem with calling anyone not awarded the Medal of Honor the "most decorated" soldier, sailor, airman or Marine. Better to say that a person has been awarded "more medals or other decorations" than any other servicemember. I think that distinction needs to be made. One other minor point: never say a person "won" a medal. War is not a lottery! Medals are earned--usually at a terrible cost to the individual being recognized. DrDale 23:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I dissagree. The MOH should be reserved for specific acts of valor under fire. And with a few exceptions (Gen MacArthur), it has not been given in the cases where the Commanding Officer lead a valiant action (as opposed to actual action in combat). Chesty's legacy is as one of the finest leaders in the history of the Corps, not as an actual hands-on warrior. These actions do not rate the MOH in my opinion, but they are very deserving of the awards he did recieve. Giving The Medal in these situations cheapens the status of the award. Mushrom 18:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- He was almost earmarked for the MOH because of the 5 Navy crosses. It was the tradition that if a soldier earned 5 distinguished crosses (per se, the Army), it would be upgraded to a MOH. However, there was a controversy between high echelon that canked the decoration, some argue that it was jealously, according to Marine! Life of Chesty Puller.RekonDog (talk) 08:01, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
NO, there is no tradition in the army that five DSC's gets a Medal of Honor. That absolutely is not true.69.105.97.114 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:43, 8 November 2009 (UTC).
Chesty as "Most Decorated Marine"
This is in response to DrDale's post. The fact that Chesty did not recieve an award he truly deserved does not change the fact that he was the most decorated marine in the history of the corps. As a former Marine myself, we were taught that Chesty was,and is, considered the greatest Marine to have ever worn the uniform.My question is this, if a person wins one Medal of Honor, does that make them the most decorated? I don't think so. The term "DECORATED", as it applies to military service, refers to the ribbons wron on ones uniform. So, if there is only one ribbon, even if it is the Medal of Honor, how can they be called the most decorated? I feel the Chesty derves the honor of that distiction and has,in fact, earned it 209.23.168.222 14:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)LedZepGuy 13/09/06
Incorrectly named page
[edit]This page should be called "Lewis Burwell Puller" with a redirect from "Chesty Puller". Anyone care to move it and fix the refering pages? Mr. Jones 19:54, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- No, it shouldn't. The manual of style says to use the most common name (and, for the record, to omit the middle name unless it helps disambiguate). 'Chesty Puller' is much, much more common than 'Lewis Burwell Puller'; thus, the article should be located at Chesty Puller. →Raul654 20:39, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)
OK. That makes sense. What about a redirect? So in that case, Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom should be called Queen Elizabeth II, then? I don't know of any other Queen Elizabeth IIs alive at the moment, or even in living memory. Perhaps I should take this there. What's your opinion? Mr. Jones 19:10, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Yes, absolutely, there should be a redirect. →Raul654 20:06, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)
- Strike that. Lewis Burwell Puller is a disambig page already - it disambiguates between Chesty PUller and his son (who was also named Lewis Burwell Puller). So it's fine as-is. →Raul654 20:08, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)
1941 - 1st Marine Division - location
[edit]An anon IP changed the location of Chesty Puller in 1941, 1st Marine Division from Camp Lejeune to Camp Pendleton. The Marine Corps biography (see article References), lists it as Camp Lejeune. If there are other reliable references to show that this might be an error, please be sure to reference this if making a change. — ERcheck (talk) @ 02:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
1stMarDiv is located in Camp Pendleton, 2nd is in Lejeune. 1/7 is currently based in 29 Palms, and was formed in San Diego (The Bn. that Chesty Puller Commanded.) I can't find anything on the official 1st MarDiv page for it having ever been in Lejeune. Doesn't mean it wasn't, and maybe you have some info that I can't locate right now, so I'll not change it to Pendleton.. although I'm pretty sure it was that. And this [1] sort of leans towards the West Coast vice the East Coast aswell.. Gelston 23:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Trying to piece it together from other sources:
1st Marine Division Lineage, 1st Marine Division Association:
- "Redesignated 1 February 1941 as the 1st Marine Division;
- Relocated during May 1941 to Quantico, Virginia and Parris Island, South Carolina;
- Deployed during April - July 1942 to Samoa and Wellington, New Zealand."
From this is it seems that in May 1941, the 1st Marine Division was not at Pendleton. But, it doesn't confirm where they were in August 1941.
— ERcheck (talk) @ 23:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
This seems to be definitive that they were at Camp Lejeune — reference: History of the 7th Marine Regiment, 7th Marine Regiment, USMC.
- "With the cloud of World War II on the horizon, the nation expanded the size of the Corps and on the first of January 1941, the Seventh Marine Regiment was re activated in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and was assigned to the First Marine Brigade; The Regiment moved to what is today Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. On the second of April 1942, the Regiment embarked for the Pacific..."
With the information from the 7th Marine Regiment putting them at Camp Lejeune after Guantanamo and before begin deployed to the Pacific Theatre, it seems that the Marine Corps biography information is confirmed. — ERcheck (talk) @ 23:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- (I have added this reference and citation to the article). Wikibofh(talk) 23:47, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
So it was at Lejeune, good job folks. Gelston 21:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
It was Camp Lejeune. And there is one very good reason why it was not at Camp Pendleton: Camp Pendleton did not even exist until 1942. The person who made the change simply assumed that the current base of the division was correct, and forgot that this was not always the case. Mushrom 18:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Changing out Korean War picture
[edit]The image in the Korean War section was File:ChestyPuller.jpeg, which was just a face shot. I've replaced it with a DOD photo of Chesty Puller cutting the Marine Corps birthday cake in Korean. 05:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Reader Questions
[edit]The article states: "Instinctively, Puller knew the army hierarchy would not allow General Smith, a Marine, to command a unit that included army troops. So, when ordered to begin the last phase of Operation Killer, Puller made the best of the opportunity by skillfully leading the 1st Marine Division and achieving its objectives." The word "so" means that one thing caused another. How would his knowledge that the Army would not let General Smith command its troops lead to him taking an oportunity to follow an order successfully? Also, hadn't he been in the military long enough to know plainly, rather than needing instinct to tell him, that the Army wouldn't long want to keep a commander from another branch (which they were, temporarily, allowing) in command of unfamiliar types of units? pvtbuddie June 19 2008
Yeah, that wasn't written properly. As to the command issue, there was an incident in the Pacific theater in WWII, where an army General was removed from command by a Marine General, and the army vowed to never have that happen again.69.105.97.114 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:49, 8 November 2009 (UTC).
check the damn quotes
[edit]"Retreat? we just got here!" That's such a gross misquotation it shames this whole page. I forget who exactly said it but the irony is, this page is enough evidence to know he didn't say that. General Puller never saw action in World War I, which is where this quote came from. A US marine company commander uttered this sentence, when the French told him to follow them in retreat.
As for the rest of the quotes , I'm sure there are at least two that aren't his I just cant prove it, and there is only one that is his for sure.
GEEZE!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.168.134 (talk) 00:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
- Exactly, this is a Lloyd W. Williams quote! See what I mean about discrepancies? (see my added section on this talk page).
RekonDog (talk) 08:10, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- The quotes that are listed are his, just that some aren't worded exactly as what he said. For instance, the "Take me to the Brig. I want to see the real Marines." qoute. It is almost correct, but wasn't exactly what he said. I forgot what exactly how he said it but it wasn't like that. The actual discussion was about how the Marines serving time are exposed to excessive military discipline due to the prison's cirriculum. One of the biographies explains it...I'll correct this later when I have time. My oh my, this page needs help. Chesty would want his biography corrected.
RekonDog (talk) 08:53, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- The quotes that are listed are his, just that some aren't worded exactly as what he said. For instance, the "Take me to the Brig. I want to see the real Marines." qoute. It is almost correct, but wasn't exactly what he said. I forgot what exactly how he said it but it wasn't like that. The actual discussion was about how the Marines serving time are exposed to excessive military discipline due to the prison's cirriculum. One of the biographies explains it...I'll correct this later when I have time. My oh my, this page needs help. Chesty would want his biography corrected.
Minor erroneous historical entries
[edit]I have notices that the history is somewhat incorrect, and contains a lot of flaws. Someone need to research his past a little bit more with extra scrutiny. Perhaps when I get the time, I will fix them, but I have no time. Just keep in mind folks, that his history article is in need of an overhaul. I have a few biographies of his that I'll scope and re-correct the discrepancies, until then, Semper Fi.
RekonDog (talk) 08:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
In addition, the following passage is inaccurate: "Soon after arriving on Guadalcanal, Puller led his battalion in a fierce action along the Matanikau, in which Puller's quick thinking saved three of his companies from annihilation. In the action, three of Puller's companies were surrounded and cut-off by a larger Japanese force. Puller ran to the shore, signaled a United States Navy destroyer, and then directed the destroyer to provide gunfire support while landing craft rescued his Marines from their precarious position, actions that earned his Bronze Star." Puller did not accompany the three companies that landed behind Japanese lines on September 27, 1942. These three companies were commanded by Puller's executive officer, Major Otho Rodgers. Puller had been retained, over his objections, at General Vandergrift's HQ to help coordinate the overall attack, of which these three companies only played one part. Once Puller learned his three companies were in trouble, he boarded the destroyer, USS Monssen, and followed by several landing craft that were under the command of Petty Office Douglas Munro, and proceeded to a position off the coast from where the three companies were trapped. It was Sgt. Robert D. Raysbrook who signaled out to the destroyer (using flags, which he had first learned to use in the Boy Scouts) that the companies were trapped. Puller, via a navy signalman, sent back a message, using a blinker light, that the destroyer would send a rolling barrage of fire up to their position and then the Marines should pull back to the beach, as the destroyer fire rolled back to the beach. Once at the beach, the Marines were picked up by the boats commanded by Douglas Munro. Munro was killed, but was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions. Sgt. Raysbrook was awarded the Navy Cross for standing on a tree stump in the middle of a fire fight to signal out to Puller on the USS Monssen. Plt. Sgt. Anthony P. Malanowski was posthumously awarded the Navy Cross for staying behind to cover the pull back of the Marines to the coast. I am in no way suggesting that Puller wasn't the brains behind this remarkable piece of work, because he was. And it was Puller's quick thinking that saved the day. But Puller was on board the USS Monssen, not ashore with the three companies. As for a reference, the best one I can think of is "Guadalcanal" by Richard Frank. And while this is not really a reference, I personally heard Lewis Puller tell this story and my father was one of the three company commanders in this battle and I personally heard him tell this story too.
John N Cox (JohnNCox@msn.com)
Structure and flow are messed up from recent reverts
[edit]The article now leads with what looks like material that was not put back where it belongs. I'm not sure how to fix it because. lacking citations, I can't tell what is reliable material. I'm hoping this article is being followed by those with more experience and, frankly, interest in cleaning up this mess. Due to the speed with which the last revert was applied, though, I'm sure this is the case.
Dhugot (talk) 05:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Dhugot. I agree with you in that everything above the General's picture is devoid of citations and has numerous misspellings. It should be removed or Wikified and added to the section about his son. Certainly, it doesn't belong at the beginning of the article. I can't edit it because if there's a way to muck the page up completely beyond readability, I'd find it. Probably without trying. Hope that helps.
Happy Trails!--Dr. Entropy (talk) 10:49, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Nickname
[edit]When exactly die people start calling him "Chesty". One could guess that it was some time after WWII due to the number of medals awarded to him. But if the nickname is older than that, than it could have a different source. Regardless, it seems to me that such information should be in the article and sourced. —MJBurrage(T•C) 18:05, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
I believe that Chesty's nickname was an account of his barrel chest. Pvt Gibbs (talk) 00:55, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
According to the television show First Command aired on The Military Channel, the nickname "Chesty" came abount because of his deep booming voice and unique way of speaking. However, considering past inaccuracies with Military Channel shows, this explanation ought to be taken somewhat with a grain of salt IMHO. Sector001 (talk) 21:05, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Intrusive Content Not Strictly Relevant to This Article
[edit]While the story of how Sergeant John Basilone earned his Medal of Honor during the Battle of Henderson Field is an important one (not to mention it made for a riveting TV episode), I'm trying to find out why it is told in such detail on a page supposedly dedicated to telling people about Chesty Puller. A side note (something akin to "It was in this battle that Sergeant John Basilone would earn the Medal of Honor" along with a link) should be sufficient, assuming it needs to be mentioned on this page at all. What sayeth the collected intelligensia?-- JackFloridian (talk) 11:12, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
- Do it, I can agree that it deserves mention that during the Battle of Henderson field Basilone earned the MoH, but only as an aside with a wikilink to his article. Cheers. EricSerge (talk) 14:13, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Because Puller put him in for the Medal. Duh. 69.140.166.249 (talk) 01:44, 28 September 2016 (UTC) I am the Clown They're Looking For
Man O' War?
[edit]The "In Popular Culture" section includes the following:
- The group "Intercontinental Music Lab" have a song titled "My Man O' War" in their album "Intercontinental Music Lab goes to war".
However, there isn't anything in the article that indicates what connection My Man O' War has to Chesty Puller. Ileanadu (talk) 23:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- The subject is Chesty Puller; see http://www.intercontinentalmusiclab.com/music/iml-goes-to-war/my-man-o-war/
- My problem is I don't see the addition meeting WP:DUE. There's a song, but I don't see that the song has attracted much notice.
- Glrx (talk) 06:02, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Comment on Peleliu
[edit]Puller's regiment sustained 60% casualties in the attack. A comment suggests that this might not have been his fault. Partly true. His CO was (from the ship) telling him to "charge." Like George Custer, "charge" always suited Puller just fine. With the advantage of hindsight, this was way too aggressive for the situation. 60% casualties for that size group are rarely acceptable. The other regiments, with similar challenges, did not sustain that rate. Some of his units were essentially destroyed. Student7 (talk) 20:20, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
- The statement needs a reasonable source. Editors cannot look at the casualty rate and blame Puller. Neither can editors arbitrarily compare Puller to Custer. No WP:OR. Puller did not have the benefit of hindsight; he had to make decisions then. High level commanders occasionally must sacrifice units to protect other units or achieve other long term benefits. Glrx (talk) 20:12, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
- a) Actually, I didn't look at the casualty rate first. I heard that his men were totally demoralized by their destruction at the time.
- b) And yes, his boss (aboard ship) told them all to take their objectives ASAP. But Puller was the one to take his first, and with the most casualties.
- c) I don't believe there is any dearth of WP:RS. A long time ago, with plenty of time to reflect. http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwii/peleliu/bloody.aspx, https://www.mca-marines.org/leatherneck/peleliu-forgotten-battle, http://www.historynet.com/peleliu. These were three out of the first four cites I found, the last fairly negative about Puller. The fourth lacked analysis. Student7 (talk) 21:14, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Awards, combat action ribbon
[edit]Puller is entitled to two Combat Action Ribbon awards (WW2 & Korea). I don't think any former Marine would dispute that and remove the CAR (personal decoration) from Puller's infobox as its "not of enough significance to be in the infobox", and remove the CAR with 5/16" gold star (I placed for Puller) from the article Awards and decorations section (ribbons display) which has been attempted here evidently so that Puller especially and other Marines' articles (see Gen Robert Barrow Talk, where the disrupting editor came-ran here from) for other Marines who served in combat can have their CAR's removed. The CAR is retroactive to December 7, 1941 according to Public Law 106-65--Oct. 5, 1999. YahwehSaves (talk) 19:31, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
- While the CAR is retroactive, and it is likely that Puller would be entitled to the CAR, there are no reliable sources to substantiate his retroactive award of the CAR. I would also surmise that you are suggesting the I am the "disrupting editor". I do not appreciate the personal attack and remind you to assume good faith. To clarify why I do not follow your line of thinking, I suggest you read the following Wikipedia policies: Identifying reliable sources and No original research. EricSerge (talk) 16:44, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Every ribbon award (CAR has no medal) has to be sourced for Puller (and General Barrow...)? There's reason to believe in good faith that Puller's NOK would have applied for and received the CARs for Pullar by now (have all his awards updated) since he's probably the most famous Marine. Who's attacking who? You are the one that says in General Robert Barrow's article talk page, in the " Number of Combat Action Ribbon?" section: "... if you're Commandant you can probably put whatever you want on your rack (Photo of Marine Gen Pullar wearing his ribbons [2]). Who is going to bust your balls?" YahwehSaves (talk) 03:04, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- The only thing that we are to Assume good faith on is the intention of other editors. Everything, on Wikipedia should be sourced. We do not make guesses, I will again, for perhaps the dozenth time direct you to read the following Wikipeida policies: WP:Identifying reliable sources and WP:Verifiability. If we do not have a reliable source where facts can be verified, then we are printing WP:Original Research at best and lies or untruths at worst. Over the years, I have tried to assume good faith in working with you. When it seems you are unclear on a policy or guideline, I make sure to link that policy in my response to you. However, it appears that you have refused to read some of the most basic guidelines for editing at Wikipedia. We only put in articles what we can prove in sources. If you do not have a source, you can not assume good faith that someone, somewhere might have done something that is, at this point unverifiable. Again, you are asking us to prove a negative. In reference to the Barrow picture from NARA, I have to assume that is what you mean, as "Pullar" [sic] was never Commandant of the Marine Corps, I am referring primarily to the SACO medal ribbon. I had never seen any regulations permitting that one for wear by active duty members. Again, if you are the Commandant, who truly will bust your balls about it? IF we are to make suppositions about Chesty Puller and his dead relatives, do you really think that it means that much to them to go fill out the paperwork for additional and retrospective awards for a man as highly decorated as Puller? I do not know the answer, but I would bet a tall, cold, frosty beer that they would not and by God, Chesty probably would not have given two hoots about another addition to his fruit salad. EricSerge (talk) 04:42, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- He should have a Combat Action ribbon with one star.  He was under fire in both WW2 and Korea.  His military combat record proves that. Any questions should be directed to the marine corps Museum. 2600:1015:A004:F190:5152:6CAC:E008:D43C (talk) 19:00, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Awards, Korean War Service Medal
[edit]Should we add the Korean War Service Medal to the page? Information about the award can be found at https://www.afpc.af.mil/About/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/421898/republic-of-korea-korean-war-service-medal/
Thanks - Weaklandjr (talk) 22:54, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Quotations
[edit]I've removed the sections on quotations per WP:LONGQUOTE. Glrx's rationale that there was "a discussion" on another article about another individual is irrelevant to this article. Excessive quotations do not belong in an article, Wikiquote exists for that purpose, and as per WP:LONGQUOTE: "Quotations that can't be justified for use in an article directly may be placed in Wikiquote and a Wikiquote template put on the article to inform readers that there are relevant quotations regarding the subject." There is no justification given for these quotes other than the fact that another article has them; Yogi Berra is a poor example to compare with for a few reasons; it's hardly a good article to compare to and, as the lede of that article notes, Yogiisms are a big part of why he is known. Berra and Puller are known for different things, Berra is known for these quotes, Puller is not. That Puller has been quoted is not the same, as almost all famous individuals have been quoted. - Aoidh (talk) 14:46, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- There's also already a link to Wikiquote in the article, so the Wikiquote page is what should be improved to add these quotations, as that's where they belong. The scope of Wikipedia articles does not include quotes for the sake of having them. - Aoidh (talk) 14:50, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Corrections needed:
[edit]"The corps commander had to order the 1st MarDiv commanding general to pull the annihilated 1st Marines out of the line."
This sentence needs to be updated to clarify whether Puller was the corps commander or the MarDiv commanding general -- it's totally unclear.
"On February 24, however, his immediate superior, Major General O.P. Smith, was hastily transferred to command IX Corps when its Army commander, Major General Bryant Moore, died"
This needs to be corrected -- there is no "Army commander" in the Marine Corps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xmbecker (talk • contribs) 21:47, 27 July 2015
- First point: it states: The 1st Marines under Puller's command lost 1,749 out of approximately 3,000 men...
clearly stated, he was in command of 1st MarDiv (altho the MarDiv abbreviation seems odd to me).OK he was in command of the 1st Marine Regiment in the battle hmm. Vsmith (talk) 01:56, 28 July 2015 (UTC) And reworded as too many "1st Marine" abbreviations caused confusion. Vsmith (talk) 02:08, 28 July 2015 (UTC) - Second point: it states: transferred to command IX Corps when its Army commander, Major General Bryant Moore, died. Gen. Moore was an Army general and was commander of IX Corps. Seems quite clear to me. Vsmith (talk) 01:49, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Namesakes in popular culture addition
[edit]Apparently there is a tree in the "Valley of the Titans" area of the costal redwoods in California called "Chesty Puller". It is located near a WWII memorial reserve, though I'm not sure if this is why it is named after the Lt. General. I tried to find some sort of official index of notable old-growth redwoods but was unable to find such an authority though if imagine that the Federal and California dept of Forestry would have such a list (official or otherwise). Anyway, here's a link that explains the tree a bit: http://www.mdvaden.com/redwood_chesty_puller.shtml
There are other citations available but there does seem to be a bit of confusion over if this is a nickname given by the author of the citation listed above, or if it is an official name. I'll let someone else explore this particular rabbit hole as I'm about to jump out.
Posimosh (talk) 20:35, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Recent edits
[edit]Someone has recently changed the first line to something than other than a "Lt Gen". I have fixed both edits, but I am sure it will be changed back soon. Feickus (talk) 14:55, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Six Not Five
[edit]The page says "Puller received the second-highest U.S. military award five times (the only person ever in U.S. history): five Navy Crosses and one U.S. Army Distinguished Service Cross."
The first "five" should be "six" but I'm not going to change it because some Assburgers-riddled Wikipedia editor would have a hissy fit.69.140.166.249 (talk) 01:39, 28 September 2016 (UTC) I'm the Clown They're Looking For
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His other daughter and her husband
[edit]Why is there no mention of his daughter, Martha, and here husband, a retired Marine general, both of whom are still alive? 2600:1700:3B90:C4A0:944B:ED48:73BD:4103 (talk) 17:11, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- If you have that info and references, please feel free to do so. Ckruschke (talk) 14:14, 19 October 2022 (UTC)Ckruschke
Most decorated Marine????
[edit]Sergeant Major Daniel Daly, USMC was nominated 3 times for the Medal of Honor . He won two Medals of Honor and had his third medal downgraded to a DSC because of politics. Soon after the fight for his 3rd medal of honor ended, they passed a law that only one medal of honor could be won. 2600:1015:A011:BFA0:C82:AAB8:8474:6668 (talk) 16:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- The reason they did this is they did not want a Marine having 3 or 4 medals of honor while the soldiers in the Army would be jealous.  2600:1015:A004:F190:5152:6CAC:E008:D43C (talk) 18:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Most decorated Marine No 2.
[edit]John J Kelly, a private who fought in World War I was only in the Marine Corps for three Years from 1917-1919. It that short period of time received 2 Medals of Honor and 5 silver stars. That surely matches up with Chesty Puller who won his awards in a lifetime of service. 2600:1015:A011:BFA0:C82:AAB8:8474:6668 (talk) 16:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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